rip
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Post by rip on Nov 10, 2010 20:58:45 GMT
Hi
I'm new here and i recently got an 2De hand 1275 with an automatic gear box but No gear lever how can i mack shore of the lever i have to use?
and can same 1 maybe post a close up photo of the gear lever?
thanks
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Post by shoutforjoy on Nov 10, 2010 21:24:34 GMT
Hi, welcome to AMR. What kind of car do you have?
There are two different kinds of gear lever. It depends on how old your engine and gearbox are - whether they have a 'P' (park) setting or not. Do you know the year of the engine/gearbox? If not we might be able to find out from the engine number.
Paul
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Post by rip on Nov 10, 2010 21:54:04 GMT
Hi Paul
Its a 72 mini mk1 if im am currect.
and the engen i got is soposed to be a 92 the engen number is 12A2DF76
i dont no if it hase the Park setting
Thanks for the reply Paul
Niel
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Post by shoutforjoy on Nov 10, 2010 22:58:35 GMT
Hi Niel Here is the information for engine number 12A2DF76 Source Vehicle : Mini Engine type & CC : A+ 1275 cc Transverse mounted Fueling : Single Point Injection Engine features : 9.4:1 Compression Ratio Catalyst Servo Assisted Brakes 95 Ron Unleaded petrol Pre-engaged starterGearbox features : Automatic Gearbox - MK II b 3.27:1 Final Drive I got the information from here: www.guess-works.com/Tech/engine.htmThe problem is that this information is not enough to be able to tell if your gearbox should have a 'P' setting and I'm not sure when they were brought in. The two automatics that I have had (a 1986 and 1990) do not have the P setting. I will try to find out some more. In the meantime if anyone else can help...
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rip
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Post by rip on Nov 10, 2010 23:10:23 GMT
Hi
thanks for the info so far i no the engine is in ported from Japan to south Africa don't no if it will help is there maybe a thing i can check to see if it has the "P"
Thanks
Niel
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Post by clambod on Nov 11, 2010 7:54:58 GMT
Can you post a photo of your gear lever and the markings on the gear lever surround?
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Post by shoutforjoy on Nov 11, 2010 8:39:43 GMT
Niel does not have the gear lever to photograph - he has asked us to help identify the correct one for him to use.
Last night, after I went to bed inspiration struck me! At least I think it was inspiration. ;D
The location of the starter inhibitor switch is different. On gearboxes with a Park setting the switch is on the gearbox itself, on older gearboxes the inhibitor switch is connected to the selector lever.
Niel, please inspect your gearbox carefully. If there is an inhibitor switch on the base, or a place where it should be then you need a newer type gear level with a Park setting. If there is none then it will be an older type gearbox without the Park setting.
If you let us know what you find we can try and get a photograpoh for you.
We are getting there.
Paul.
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Post by yoda on Nov 11, 2010 11:28:33 GMT
I may be wrong, but it was my understanding that the later type P setting was fitted when the engines went from a series to a plus, although i am sure that Metros had them fitted right at the start, so it will possibly depend on what car the engine/gearbox came from.
As suggested, look for an inhibitor switch on the box, if it has one then the later type shifter will be needed.
Your best bet would be to call guess-works directly or PM him from TMF or maybe Martin at MRA who is a member on here.
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Post by shoutforjoy on Nov 11, 2010 11:30:51 GMT
Guessworks (John) has provided me with a bit more information: "On minis, the later generation gearbox appeared with the introduction of the 1300 automatic
However, was on the 1300 Metro auto from the beginning...
You may notice the common thread here... small bores, and all A series 1300's, had the "non-park" auto, A+ 1300's had the Park !"
As yours is an A+ I think you'll find it has the park.
It is always going to best to check for the inhibitor switch though as the gearbox may have been swapped. I know it's a bit unlikely but it is possible.
Paul
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Post by yoda on Nov 11, 2010 11:32:29 GMT
I just saw the same post and pretty much confirmed it for me too.
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Post by rip on Nov 11, 2010 18:47:04 GMT
Hi again
i had a look at the gear box and fond a sensor at the front of the gearbox not shore if it is the inhibitor switch?
Thanks
Niel
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Post by notamini on Nov 11, 2010 23:04:09 GMT
Why not just get the older without the 'P' and that way you can use it on either box. Later, if you get someone to ID the box and find it is with 'P', you can either do the 'P' mod as shown in some shop manuals such as mine or swap it out when you get one of the new shifters.
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Post by bnicho on Nov 13, 2010 15:18:14 GMT
If it's out of an SPi Mini it will have Park. No SPi Autos were made without Park. Also, the inhibitor switch on the front is a dead giveaway. This is a good thing, it was the stringest and smoothest box. There actualy three shifters: Metal surround RND1234D Early Metal surround RN123D Late 70's onwards?? Plastic surround PRN123D from late 1990. Your box has Park and would have had PRN123D originally. Others have used the RN1234D shifter (relabelled) with the late Park box but I don't know what mods if any were required. Cheers, Brett.
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Post by Joloke on Nov 13, 2010 19:42:10 GMT
Brett is right Here's all the selectors Earliest Type with chrome facia and positions RN1234D Its Replacement same RN1234D but Black Facia with White Letters Final Version Pre Park Pawl Provision 4th Gear Position Dropped Still Black With White Letters but now RN123D Then when the AP IIb became standard in Minis it received this Transmission Selector The Selector in the above photo is in a Metro but is the very same they used in Minis with AP IIb Transmissions You could also use one from an earlier metro which though a slightly different design are interchangeable with the ones in the above photo Either way its one of the last two you need as all AP IIb Transmissions had a Park Pawl so need the later style Selector with "P" Position
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Post by rip on Nov 14, 2010 19:41:36 GMT
thanks a lot for the pic's now i no what to get but thanks agen as soon as I'm finished ill post same pic's of mi mini
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Post by joakwin on Nov 16, 2010 22:12:50 GMT
i have the same brown metro shifter for my set up, i like it alot better then the older style without Park,
the metro set up has a light in it and the older style without park didn't
my old 998 used the style without park and my 1275 is from a metro and has park
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Post by asahartz on Nov 18, 2010 17:08:35 GMT
The light would be a good addition.
There are, I suspect, many different cobbled-up combinations of those shifters. My Elf originally had the early type, but not a chrome gate - it had a RN123D with 4 hand-painted on and the notches filed to suit! I replaced that with a T-shift and proper RN1234D gate (it's now got a late '80s A+ engine & box) as I have a dodgy elbow and lifting the knob for reverse was giving it grief - the collared T-shift is much easier.
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Post by darthsmini on Jun 21, 2012 12:57:15 GMT
Hi... just wanting to help.. my mini is spi from Japan... it has a P R N 1 2 3 D. Shoutforjoy's description of the mini is accurate. Spi engines from Japan are described as Rover mini classic 1.2 tbi 1992-1996 model. Indeed the engine is an A+. hope I am able to help.
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