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Post by betsycooper on Jun 17, 2015 7:25:42 GMT
Greetings all.
I am new to this Forum.
I have a '67 Mk1 that I am restoring.I was lucky enough to get my hands on a complete motor and box to convert my car to Auto. Where can I get a rebuild kit for my 4 speed AP box?
Being at the southern end of darkest Africa makes it slightly trickier.
Any help is appreciated.
Regards.
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Post by notamini on Jun 17, 2015 12:39:17 GMT
Welcome from Canada. A conversion is not that easy. Are you aware that the front frames are different from auto to manual? It can be modified but quite a job. Contact Earlparts in England. They have rebuild kits. Mark
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Post by Stu on Jun 18, 2015 22:28:07 GMT
JPAT here in the UK stock them. Not sure on postage costs to Africa though
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Post by betsycooper on Aug 3, 2015 5:15:11 GMT
Welcome from Canada. A conversion is not that easy. Are you aware that the front frames are different from auto to manual? It can be modified but quite a job. Contact Earlparts in England. They have rebuild kits. Mark Hi Mark. As you mentioned, it is quite a job, but all done now. :-) Thanks for the feedback. Andrew. Thanks Stu. I sent JPAT a mail.
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Post by Stu on Aug 3, 2015 16:35:40 GMT
Great to hear from you Andrew. So have you fitted the auto with the intention of taking it out and overhauling it once you get the kit from Jpat, or have I got it all wrong?
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Post by betsycooper on Aug 31, 2015 10:18:09 GMT
I have installed the engine and box... Started, and drove like a dream!! But I would like to get the kit for when I rebuild one day.
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Post by betsycooper on Aug 31, 2015 10:35:02 GMT
This is what she looks like now.
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Post by Stu on Sept 3, 2015 0:45:18 GMT
Very nice too.
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Post by simonw on Sept 6, 2015 8:47:47 GMT
Is that a 1275 auto?
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Post by simonw on Sept 15, 2015 21:42:09 GMT
Can somebody enlighten me on the needed contents of a rebuild kit? I got the following response from JPAT
"The master kit includes all frictions, gaskets, seals, o ring, metal clad seals and top and rev steels (we have zero stock of the forward steels for about 8 weeks)"
What else would I need to rebuild the box ? Are top and reverse steels different from forward steels? Anybody with a picture ?
Many thanks !simon
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Post by Stu on Sept 15, 2015 22:07:24 GMT
The steels are different Simon. There should be everything you need in the kit. This is my master kit. Let me know if you need me to check anything.
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Post by jockduck on Sept 15, 2015 23:26:03 GMT
Hi depends whats wrong with the 'box, last one I did I needed refurbished bands, JPAT did exchange, story is that the band friction surface lasts a long time but the last box they were totally shot. I have had to replace 1st gear Sprague bearings, forward clutch shafts, and governor bushes. You just have to check everything and be honest with yourself about what is good and what is not otherwise you will be back inside again. Yes don't ask me how I know. Jock
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Post by simonw on Sept 16, 2015 9:35:06 GMT
Awesome replies guys many thanks . So bearings are available then ? Probably best I strip the box inspect and then parts order?
Can someone enlighten me as to why postage to Aus is soo expensive ? I might have to find someone in the UK to bundle for me as it seems the parts collection will come from different sources?
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Post by simonw on Sept 16, 2015 21:13:18 GMT
Also as I am rebuilding an early box from 68 , does anybody know if this is a different kit ? JPAT sell the ap2 kit . Not sure whether the suits the early box or is there no difference ?
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Post by jockduck on Sept 16, 2015 23:20:29 GMT
Yeah not really sure, I have bought rebuild kits from different sources in the past and things have been OK, there are differnces in the size and number of seal rings for the clutch shafts I think one of the kits I got had both, usualy after using a kit there are bits left over. Try checking with the supplier, however you may not have much choice. Bearings available! bronze ones I make myself, I had real trouble getting specific thrust washers last time. Jock
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Post by richard1 on Nov 15, 2015 11:58:01 GMT
As for another parts source, Jpat and the others do not carry the pressure plate for the forward clutch assembly. I found that KM precision engineering makes them and repairs these transmissions martin@kmprecisionengineering.com
He was very helpful and built me up a complete unit when I found mine smashed.
As for the frame issue. It is easy to convert an automatic frame to a manual with spacers on each motor mount. The use of a Manual sub frame for an automatic requires the sides to be widened at the mounting holes about 1 cm each side, plus the left side has to be cut wider at least at where the front clutch assembly fits, and you need to shave of about 1 cm from the front bar, plus a little cutout for the safety switch.
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Post by mra-minis on Nov 18, 2015 2:33:57 GMT
Yeah not really sure, I have bought rebuild kits from different sources in the past and things have been OK, there are differnces in the size and number of seal rings for the clutch shafts I think one of the kits I got had both, usualy after using a kit there are bits left over. Try checking with the supplier, however you may not have much choice. Bearings available! bronze ones I make myself, I had real trouble getting specific thrust washers last time. Jock There is an early kit and a later kit both are for AP2, neither are interchangeable.... lots of differences with gaskets and seals. be careful as you may find the kit you want is not the kit you have, you will need to check everything
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Post by mra-minis on Dec 6, 2015 22:29:09 GMT
A simple way to tell is look at the pump housing the later type have a large cut out for the CV joint, the earlier has a flat vertical surface....
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Post by limby2000 on Dec 24, 2015 18:39:38 GMT
A simple way to tell is look at the pump housing the later type have a large cut out for the CV joint, the earlier has a flat vertical surface.... Its great that your back Martin, you,ve been sorely missed. Just picked up one of your threads regarding semi-synthetic oil. Any particular brand and grade recommended?
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Post by mra-minis on Dec 25, 2015 14:26:28 GMT
Thanks :-) any good grade is fine, although of recent I have found that it works even better if you use cermetallic plates instead of the paper based standard type.
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Post by mra-minis on Mar 13, 2016 1:10:19 GMT
The steels are different Simon. There should be everything you need in the kit. This is my master kit. Let me know if you need me to check anything. The kit in the picture is wrong, it shows 3 top & reverse steels and only 1 forward steel there should be either 2 t&R steels and 1 forward steel or 2 of each, as you have 6 plates this kit should have 2 of each type of steel, the old kits used to have 3 of each as there were different thickness's. the kit in the photo is for a 79 onwards, just from looking at the gaskets it is possible for me to tell this. The 67 and later mentioned 68 will require different kits and gaskets, the pre 1979 gasket kit will fit, but the steels and clutch plates will not unless it has been "upgraded" which to be fair was a factory recall.. but anyway you will require earlier gaskets as they have very subtle differences. To tell the difference count the splines around the drum body.
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Post by Stu on Mar 13, 2016 21:32:10 GMT
The steels are different Simon. There should be everything you need in the kit. This is my master kit. Let me know if you need me to check anything. The kit in the picture is wrong, it shows 3 top & reverse steels and only 1 forward steel there should be either 2 t&R steels and 1 forward steel or 2 of each, as you have 6 plates this kit should have 2 of each type of steel, the old kits used to have 3 of each as there were different thickness's. the kit in the photo is for a 79 onwards, just from looking at the gaskets it is possible for me to tell this. The 67 and later mentioned 68 will require different kits and gaskets, the pre 1979 gasket kit will fit, but the steels and clutch plates will not unless it has been "upgraded" which to be fair was a factory recall.. but anyway you will require earlier gaskets as they have very subtle differences. To tell the difference count the splines around the drum body. True Martin. The kit in the photo's for my 84' box
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Post by mra-minis on Mar 15, 2016 15:12:21 GMT
Awesome replies guys many thanks . So bearings are available then ? Probably best I strip the box inspect and then parts order? Can someone enlighten me as to why postage to Aus is soo expensive ? I might have to find someone in the UK to bundle for me as it seems the parts collection will come from different sources? Postage to Oz could be to do with our glorious eu ......
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