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Post by Admin/Founder 2 on Oct 24, 2009 8:32:07 GMT
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Post by mra-minis on Oct 27, 2009 7:20:22 GMT
Using the current parts it is not possible and the photo is wrong  however it is a filter housing at the end of the day and therefore a new part could be made to replace the filter head that could take a canister type filter, at what cost and how many people would want to change...... is possibly the question to ask ? |
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Post by Admin/Founder 2 on Oct 27, 2009 8:35:37 GMT
Thanks Martin i didnt think it was possible but every so often i see those spin on filters appear on ebay claiming to be for metro automatics  i knew they werent for the later K series Metros as they have short stubby spin on filters and besides they have cvt transmission too that use atf fluid seperately. I have to admit though those spin on do look the right size but as you point out would the demand be worth it? i cross referenced the gfe104-479 last night and they were used in soo many applications i reckon they will allways be available anyhow ;D It seems they were also used in Massey Ferguson Tractors   Huggz Jodie  |
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Post by metroauto on Nov 1, 2009 10:17:46 GMT
Apparently the Mechanic who looks after my cars said the Oil Pressure in the Automatic's is much much greater than in the manual versions hence the need for the stronger canister filter and paper element.
A spin on type could not cope with the oil pressure.
Having done a few oil changes GFE479 is the Unipart filter I used on my Metro Automatics.
Apparently lots of regular Oil Changes is key to keeping the Auto boxes happy!
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Post by kalkat on Nov 1, 2009 12:18:13 GMT
I'm not sure that's true metroauto - the oil pressure at the filter head (if I've read the oil flow diagram correctly) is the same as a manual. I think the reason the autos have the cannister filter is due to the sheer physical size of filter element required and Leyland/Rover's lack of enthusiasm for development. I am considering either using a remote oil filter head or going down to my shed and engineering summat Emma |
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Post by notamini on Nov 4, 2009 21:08:38 GMT
The auto has two oil channels. One is regulated at a low engine pressure,20-60psi, while the other can reach from 108 to 148 psi. On my 1275 A (Austin America), there is a test port which is on the edge of the filter mount. This is a direct line from the filter. The pressure really is that great through the filter!!
I have heard VW tried spin-ons for one of their autos and it was well known for blowing right off.
Mark
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Post by Admin/Founder 2 on Nov 4, 2009 21:15:52 GMT
After the fun ive had today following my oil change i really wish they were spin on types though i can understand why there not. The pipedream of a spin on type though? Mmmmmm Me likes ;D |
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Post by kalkat on Nov 4, 2009 22:28:38 GMT
That's very true Mark (notamini ), I'd forgotten that test port - Minis have that too. I guess the bolt through the cannister prevents 'blow off'  I'm still thinking about it though Emma |
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Post by notamini on Nov 5, 2009 4:04:43 GMT
Would be interesting to see if your idea of a remote head would work. Maybe someone can find some kind of industrial unit that has line fittings?
Mark
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Post by jockduck on Nov 5, 2009 23:13:01 GMT
I know that the cartridge filter can be messy but as someone else posted normal spin ons can't handle the pressure, there are pluses for the cartridge however its a very common size used on everything from Fergie tractors to Austin 6s and vanguards it may even be used on Hillman imps I'm not sure yet. so you should be able to shop around for a good price.
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Post by asahartz on Nov 6, 2009 16:53:33 GMT
Your comments there surprise me - I've just cross-referenced this in a filter catalogue, and the only cars listed using this filter size are "Rover group". The Imp is certainly a very different size. I have a few NOS filters in stock in my shed though |
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Post by bnicho on Nov 13, 2009 12:42:12 GMT
A mate who is into Autos looked at remote mounting the filter, but he could not find any spin-on filter manufacturer that would guarantee the filter would handle the pressure. The lines to the remote head would not be an issue to have made up. They're basically the same as oil cooler lines with a higher pressure rating. Maybe a hydraulic oil filter for industrial machinery could work? But then, they are probably not designed to deal with the crap flying around in an A series sump.  |
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Post by mra-minis on Nov 15, 2009 17:18:52 GMT
The oil pressure is taken at the filter head and can be about 125psi so that would preclude the use of a canister type oil filter |
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Post by kalkat on Nov 15, 2009 23:25:15 GMT
Unfortunately I've come to the same conclusion...... 'til I find summat freaky Emma |
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Post by jockduck on Nov 16, 2009 10:47:44 GMT
I'm afraid I can't agree that over frequent changing of the oil filter improves the life of the gearbox/engine, if your power unit is generating enough debris to clog a filter in less than 10000 miles you have a serious problem and a rapidly dying power unit.
In industrial situations filters are changed when the differential pressure starts to increase which is an indication of the filter being full which could take years of operation. in a car its cheaper to change the filter at a safe mileage, which is what the manufacturer recommends. The reality is that most filters are thrown away when they have heaps of life left in them which is OK if you want peace of mind. If you are the type that changes their own filters, have a look at the old one using sunlight and some sort of magnification and see if you can detect any loading of the filter media(outside pleats) You may be wasting money and you might learn a bit about the health of the power unit.
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Post by Admin/Founder 2 on Nov 16, 2009 12:33:35 GMT
Though i can see your point of view i guess with myself its more of a belt n braces approach filters cost very little and though the filter may not need replacing from recent experience i thinks its benificial to check out the condition of the O rings as you can often loose oil from these At around £5 or less i think you might as well change the filter when you change the oil Besides i couldnt bring myself to run fresh golden oil through a dirty brown filter  Each to there own though im not saying one is right and the other wrong i just choose to change the filter everytime as they arnt expensive Huggz Jodie |
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Post by jockduck on Nov 20, 2009 23:15:37 GMT
If your filter is doing its job then the dirty brown stuff should stay there, I don't find my oil turning dark straight away after an oil change using a second time around filter, the material that discolours the oil is too small to get trapped in the filter anyway.
I wish I could get filters for $10 in Aus usually $20+ Last time I was in the UK I brought home 4 years supply!
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Post by kalkat on Nov 21, 2009 12:51:04 GMT
I have bought several from E-bay....very often the postage is WAAAaaaayyy more then I pay for the filter Emma |
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